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Ritualistof the Mists · Aug 29, 2007, 04:59 AM // 04:59

Omg! grinding is not the funniest thing to do and like it was said before some of us cant grind for 10hrs some of us can only play for about 2 hours and not everyday. Also how many of you have 5 or more characters that you might get armor for I know i have 3 as of right now that i do. The ones of you that are saying grinding is what you do and that it is fun and easy thing it isnt for everyone. It gets boring, and those that say the ones of us that dont want to grind are lazy do you only have one PVE character.
The ones of us that would like to see the title req. lowered most of you act like that is a sin come on . It is not like we want it put down to rank 2 i mean must of us have said rank for would be nice.

freekedoutfish · Aug 29, 2007, 08:34 AM // 08:34

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Originally Posted by silvershock

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BECAUSE GRINDING SUUUUUUUUCCCKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSS

I don't wanna spent ages getting this or getting that, i have more to do then waste my entire day on guild wars!

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Originally Posted by Ritualistof the Mists

Omg! grinding is not the funniest thing to do and like it was said before some of us cant grind for 10hrs some of us can only play for about 2 hours and not everyday. Also how many of you have 5 or more characters that you might get armor for I know i have 3 as of right now that i do. The ones of you that are saying grinding is what you do and that it is fun and easy thing it isnt for everyone. It gets boring, and those that say the ones of us that dont want to grind are lazy do you only have one PVE character.
The ones of us that would like to see the title req. lowered most of you act like that is a sin come on . It is not like we want it put down to rank 2 i mean must of us have said rank for would be nice.

Why is it that no one seems to grasp that GWEN gives away points as rewards for quests and dungeons and bounties.

There are plenty of ways to earn reputation points.

Points ranging from 100-750 in value. By the time you have completed half of GWEN, there is a very high chance that your reputation level with either the Norn, Drawfs, Vanguard or the Asura will be within the 56k range or atleast close enough that you can finish the rest off with some farming.

No one is saying you have to grind all the way to rank 7, beacuse by just playing the game you earn points anyway and concidering the staggering number of quests, repeatable quests and dungeons ingame, you are going to earrn ALOT of points by the time you reach the end.

Do you understand that?

People during the preview event (like myself) resorted to grindingly farming Norn points to get to rank 7 because there was no other way to do it, in such a sort amount of time.

Once the entire game is released in just a few days, there will be quests, dungeons, bounties, tournaments, drawf boxing, polymock. Countless ways to earn reputation points for your chosen side!!!!!

That means you dont need to spent "10 hours" grinding points by farming or doing the same old thing over and over again. You might enjoy playing polymock or boxing. You might enjoy doing repeatable quests and dungeons to earn reptuation points.

There might even be quests or dungeons that give away 1k+ reputation points as rewards!

You cant complain about the reputation/title system, and how we aquire armor until the entire game has been released and know how it all works!

We only got to see about 5-10% of the entire GWEN map, so how can you come to a conclusion about the game from just that?

What exactly is your definition of grinding, because I dont think its the same as mine or others!

My idea of grinding is when you have to achieve something outside of the actual storyline and quest and missions. For instance the wisdom and treasure chest titles arent connected to quest or missions. You can only earn that by endlessly opening chests and id'ing golds.

And the factions titles require you to either repeat the same two quests or play FA or AB over and over and over again. They have no real baring on the story of the game.

This is why you cant call earning the reputation titles a grind, because you add to those by actually playing the game. You dont even have to think about it, or conciously try to increase your points, because it happens as you play.

Yes it will come a point where you might need an extra 5-10k and you have done all the quests and dungeons and your bored with tournaments and boxing. But thats then your choice to farm those last few points! No is forcing you!

We have dozens of other armor sets throughout the game to choose from, so you cant argue that Anet is stopping you from getting armor. I would have assumed that by the time you play GWEN you would already have atleast one 15k set, so why is it such a huge priority to get a GWEN set straight away?

If you dont like farming points, are you not able to simply take your time, play the game, increase your points slowly and wait until you finish to get new armor?

This isnt about the reputation points being hard to earn, because their not. Its about yourself and others wanting to enter GWEN and take all your wealth and buy new armor straight away.

You dont have the patience to just play through all the quests and dungeons and earn points slowly and then get armor once you have enough. You want stuff now like a child at home crying because he has to eat his dinner before he gets desert!

Just play through GWEN, earn your points from quests and dungeons and other events and maybe do a tiny bit of farming and you will easily get enough points to reach rank 7.

But you cant complain about the mechanism of a game, which hasnt even been released yet and all you've experienced was a tiny, tiny preview of what exists!

Uber Mass · Aug 29, 2007, 08:42 AM // 08:42

A small bit of working and questing for your title and armor seems a bit to much asked for people who want to rush the game i recon..... I'm glad its not like NF rush to the end and then show off your Primevil in Ascalon.... And its not that you have to spend ages in UW to get some ecto or in FoW to get your shards for your FoW armor..... Djeez cmon guys a few rep points to gather you hardly have to call that grinding

Rayana · Aug 29, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53

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Originally Posted by Friar Khan

That's a decent point. Yes, you do have to kill monsters repeatedly, but...

Why aren't you complaining about Vabbian armor? Vabbian armor costs 16 rubies and 16 saphires in gems. Playing all the quests gets you about 4 gems. That means you need to put a lot of work in to farm your way to 28 gems unless you already farmed enough gold before nightfall was released. The only real difference is that you can't buy Norn rank off ebay as conveniently as you could for gold.

Because you don't have to grind first, to even GLANCE at the armour there. That's a big difference already.

freekedoutfish · Aug 29, 2007, 09:20 AM // 09:20

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Originally Posted by Rayana

Because you don't have to grind first, to even GLANCE at the armour there. That's a big difference already.

So you'd rather you could still look at the armor, but not be able to craft it until your at rak 7? How is that going to make you feel better?

And again its not grind!!!

All the ways to make reputation points....

Dozens of quest (some repeatable 100-750 possible more)
18 Dungeons (repeatable 750 points and possible more),
Drawf boxing (100 points),
Norn touranments (100 points),
Asura Polymock,
Bounties in instance (3-4k a run).

...are you serously suggesting that with all those differnet ways to make points (and they will most likely give greater points away in harder quests and dungeons), that by half-way or the end of GWEN your reputation rank wont be high enough to get armor?

And even if its not, it wont take a huge amount of effort to earn another 10-16k to the next rank!

FGS, just play through the game and wait till your rank increases enough to get armor. You dont need to get it straight away. What if the only armor crafters were right at the end of the game, would you winge that you had to grind through the entire game to get it?

Somehow I think you might!!!

And yes Vabbian armor compared to this is a far greater grind! I spent about 2weeks standing in an outpost posting "WTB Trade contracts" just to get enough rubies for that armor. Now that IS grinding!

I could have been elsehwere completing HM missions, but instead I stood in an outpost for 2 weeks doing that! That wasnt fun, but it was worth it for ele vabbian armor!

Compare to that, its not grinding when you earn the points while actually playing the actual quests and dungeons!! Its grind when you do something you dont need to like farming, opening chests and id'ing golds!

Rayana · Aug 29, 2007, 10:08 AM // 10:08

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

So you'd rather you could still look at the armor, but not be able to craft it until your at rak 7? How is that going to make you feel better?

And again its not grind!!!

No need to shout and get rude. You don't perceive it as grind, I do.

Uber Mass · Aug 29, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Rayana

No need to shout and get rude. You don't perceive it as grind, I do.

Get over it i couldnt detect any rudeness in his text anyway go work for you armor like every1 else has to do...

MithranArkanere · Aug 29, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48

My problem is not getting the stuff. It's getting it with 10 characters.
They are PUNISHING players who actually PAY for character slots.

They should give bonuses for each character that have a maxed title.
The more characters max a title, the easier to get for the others.

Like this:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10186117

Some poeople like to have all playing characters, not ONE character and 25 mules.

Perfected Shadow · Aug 29, 2007, 10:50 AM // 10:50

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Originally Posted by Hyper.nl

I like the titles, or at least the Norn hunting one. The others I haven't given much attention yet. Maybe they could be account based, but I don't really care since I only have one lvl20 character.

They should be account based. I think it would leave those who play mainly with 1 character AND those with multiple characters happy. It's one thing playing the game, or grinding to obtain the points, it's another to repeat with multiple characters > <.

Perfected Shadow · Aug 29, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Mithran beat me to a punch ( ;

Uber Mass · Aug 29, 2007, 11:00 AM // 11:00

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

They should be account based. I think it would leave those who play mainly with 1 character AND those with multiple characters happy. It's one thing playing the game, or grinding to obtain the points, it's another to repeat with multiple characters > <.

So sunspear and LB should be account based also? Thats about the same... and wait while we at it cant we get fow account based also? so when you get fow on 1 char you only need 1 ecto and 1 shard on the other chars...

Thats plain nonsense imho... if you want norn armor work on norn title if you want ebon vanguard armor work on that title more.... you can get lots of points doing primary and secondary quests and after that maybe some petite grinding... for a certain title

i like how they done it work for your armor like you have to do for FoW and Vabbian

tmakinen · Aug 29, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

Freakedoutfish hit the nail on the head here. These titles are essentially the gauge with which your progress is the game is measured, and it's a welcome change from the mission-driven storyline of the main campaigns.

All you who want these titles to be account wide to avoid 'grind' on secondary characters, please explain exactly how playing through NF with one character unlocks the benefits (endgame armor, green and free treasure chests along the way) for all the other characters on the same account. Having pushed 8 characters through NF I must admit that it starts to feel like grind at some point but that's my choice. The benefits scale linearly. I got 8 greens and 8 times the amount of treasures from the monthly chests when compared to a player who only has one character.

Ravi · Aug 29, 2007, 02:24 PM // 14:24

hhahaha, let them be guys, anet will give em acount based titles, and theeeeen a new thread will pop out, wich looks something like this:

GWEN: Anything else to do with my account based awesomeness?

ROFL. theres no pleasing anybody. ever.

Mordakai · Aug 29, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Holy crap. This is NOT new people.

Factions had "grind" armor. You had to get some Faction before you could access the Luxons and Kurzicks, and didn't you need more Faction to the Elite Luxon and Kurzick?

Hell, how can you consider getting a bit of Norn reputation grind, but getting the end armor of Nightfall is not? (or Vabbian armor for that matter).

I don't get it.

cthulhu reborn · Aug 29, 2007, 02:38 PM // 14:38

I think this is a good thing.

And 56k is nothing compared to the amoint of points you need for the Kurzick/Luxon title which starts with hundres of thousands and ends in millions...now THAT would be grind.
Besides, I think there will be more ways to gain the Norn points etc when GWEN goes live I think...Ever wonder what those books are for that you can get from the hero guys in Gunnars? Has got to be reputation related I would think.

But the reputation is a good thing for me...at least it proves that when you have the armour you did something for it.

828168 · Aug 29, 2007, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

We only got to see about 5-10% of the entire GWEN map, so how can you come to a conclusion about the game from just that?

And the factions titles require you to either repeat the same two quests or play FA or AB over and over and over again. They have no real baring on the story of the game.

GW:EN map

Based on this map here, we've seen 4 out of 12 towns and outposts? That's 33%. We've seen at least 2 out of 17 dungeons, that's 12%. As for map exploration, it sure looks like more than 10% we've seen since there's portions that are prophecies and not this expansion. So quite possible that 5-10% of entire game is flaw? If they didn't block off the other quests, I'm sure somebody would've finished the game over the preview weekend.

We really can't compare faction titles to Norn, Asuran, or Vanguard titles. It's more in line with Sunspear and Lightbringer titles. Factions title is more to do with AB and for the major faction that was required to get pass a certain point was befriending either Luxon or Kurzick which requires only 10000 points. So aren't these flaw comparisons?

Yes, I will have ads saying "WTB Grinder for GW:EN".

828168 · Aug 29, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

IKurzick/Luxon title which starts with hundres of thousands and ends in millions...now THAT would be grind.

People, wake up already... Kurzick/Luxon title isn't needed for any armor. It's all optional which impacts nothing within the game except for your awesome title and at best give you slight improvements in your Luxon/Kurzick pve skill. But then again, the Norn title gives you slight improvements if you're wearing it. Your max HP goes up. Remind me again what you are grinding for in that Kurzick/Luxon title. I forgot the armor that I am trying to grind for while doing AB.

Vl Vl D · Aug 29, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Kinn

Personally, I'm buying GW:EN so I can play the new quest/mission content and explore all the new areas. I couldn't give a toss about the latest vanity armour set.

Rit of mists got pwnd.What would you like? to rush past the game then complain that GW2 is to far away and how you can become a beta tester.

Zallya · Aug 29, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

I would like to also point out that you also need 50k+ materials to craft the actual armour set, people complaining about not being able to get the same armour on 10 different characters need to stop and think the following:

Do you want the SAME armour set on every character? I chose armour set by looks, not by type. And to be honest, I'm actually a little dissapointed by a lot of the Norn armours, but there are definitely a some nice ones.

Bibblenorn · Aug 29, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

When I saw people talking about the 56,000 requirement on the forums during the preview weekend, my jaw dropped. Sounds like alot! I am not generally very good at working on titles.

So my first response was, "I will never be able to get that much on all my characters! They should make it account based!" Following that was the thought that making these titles account based would make KoaBD nearly worthless... not that I am close to it anyways.

My next thought was, "What if we raised the points by 4 or 5 times to make the titles mean something if they are account based?" This was followed by the realization that that is a LOT of grinding. My attention span is NOT that long.

Then I came to the realization: "When was the last time I actually liked every profession's armor in the same set? NEVER!"

Now I can't speak for everyone, but do you actually want Norn armor for every one of your characters? I certainly don't. In fact, the only one I even vaguely like is the female ranger armor, and I am not sure it is more to my taste than the nice shing jea armor that my ranger currently wears.

I am less worried about the points for the titles (which I don't intend to get for each character), then about whether the other armors (Dwarf, etc) will be more attractive.

Summary: Does every character (for those of you who have many) actually need every set of armor? Your answer to this determines how daunting the point requirement is.

My two cents.